Jeu set et match
Jeu set et match
Lotus racing n'existera plus sous cette forme en 2011.
Jean Louis Moncet à annoncé qu'Eric Boullier annoncera mardi que l'écurie Renault va devenir Lotus Renault.
Ce qui annonce que Renault deviendra qu'un simple motoriste dès 2011, le développement chassis étant à la charge des nouveaux actionnaires...
Quand à Lotus Racing, elle devient Malasian racing dès 2011.
Elle sera aussi motorisé par Renault.
Question: Quelle cohérance avec Lotus cars, qui va développer des nouveaux véhicules avec des motorisations Toyota????
Question 2: Quid du partenariat avec Cosworth (véhicule de série et course...)?????
Jean Louis Moncet à annoncé qu'Eric Boullier annoncera mardi que l'écurie Renault va devenir Lotus Renault.
Ce qui annonce que Renault deviendra qu'un simple motoriste dès 2011, le développement chassis étant à la charge des nouveaux actionnaires...
Quand à Lotus Racing, elle devient Malasian racing dès 2011.
Elle sera aussi motorisé par Renault.
Question: Quelle cohérance avec Lotus cars, qui va développer des nouveaux véhicules avec des motorisations Toyota????
Question 2: Quid du partenariat avec Cosworth (véhicule de série et course...)?????
Re: Jeu set et match
Effectivement j'ai entendu la même chose
Toyota ne fait plus de moteur de F1 donc si ils veulent en faire il faut bien piocher quelque part
Pour le partenariat cosworth je pense que justement ce sera de bien travailler les moteur de série (comme l'Evora S
) et ils annonce un programme lourd en sport pour Lotus, il n'y a pas que la F1 dans la vie ![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon/wink.gif)
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Toyota ne fait plus de moteur de F1 donc si ils veulent en faire il faut bien piocher quelque part
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Pour le partenariat cosworth je pense que justement ce sera de bien travailler les moteur de série (comme l'Evora S
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Re: Jeu set et match
l affaire est loin d etre finie.
pour eviter des complications Fernandez utilise maintenent le non 1malaysia dans les com officielles, mais il a bien intenter une procedure a la court de Londre pour les droits sur le nom "team Lotus" et il a annonver que ces autos serait l annee prochaine noir et or, facon JPS.
voici un tres bon article qui explique la situation en detail:
he news that Lotus Racing is will be running in black and gold next year is a clear signal to anyone who cares to take notice that Tony Fernandes is not about to back down and accept being pushed out of the way by Group Lotus, no matter what the politicians in Malaysia want to see happening. Fernandes has invested around $120 million in the programme since it kicked off in the summer of 2009 and he clearly feels that he was the man who made it happen and that Group Lotus is trying to not only elbow him out of the way, but also claim the Team Lotus heritage, to which Fernandes believes it has no right at all. It would be outrageous if Team Lotus were to state a claim to have invented the Lotus Seven or the Lotus Elite road cars, but this is, in effect, what Group Lotus is trying to do, by trying to own the history of the team.
It is clear that Fernandes has a very strong case in the matter of the right to use the Team Lotus name. The Malaysian government must know this but it cannot buy the name from David Hunt and his partners because Fernandes got there first (again) and that deal is completed. In the circumstances it makes little sense for Group Lotus to do anything other than trying to work with Fernandes, rather than blindly supporting Group Lotus’s Dany Bahar. The Turkish-Swiss marketing man has a vision for Group Lotus which must seem very attractive to the Malaysians, but he is not an automobile industry expert and those who are doubt that his plan for the group is realistic. If the money being risked is private investment then that is fine, but there are increasing suggestions that Bahar did not manage to secure the funding that he hoped to have and that the funding of Group Lotus is coming from the Malaysian government, even if this may have been raised as loans from banks. Loans have to be repaid at some point and if Lotus does not bring in the money, it is the government which will have to use taxpayers’ money to balance the books. If this is the case then the politicians are facing the possibility that they will be attacked for gambling with taxpayers’ money. There have been some rumours in recent days suggesting that Bahar recognises that he is in a weak position in this respect and is looking for money in the Middle East. The more money he can raise, the less exposed he is to the whims of the politicians. They are obviously not keen on admitting that they have made a mistake and so will support Bahar until he gives them a reason not to, so the Group Lotus boss must be careful not to make too many mistakes in case they decided that they can justify dumping him.
The loss of the Team Lotus case in the High Court might provide such an opportunity. The other problem that could arise is that Fernandes could challenge Bahar’s right to terminate the licence agreement that he had with Group Lotus. This was a five-year deal and was by all accounts terminated on very flimsy grounds. Given the level of investment made, Fernandes would probably have a decent case if he chose to challenge the cancellation of the licence, which could provide another embarrassment.
There are also questions about the wisdom of doing a three-year $20 million a year sponsorship deal with Renault F1, when there is a risk that the cars will never be called Lotuses. Rushing into such an arrangement might seem the right thing to do given the Bahar timeline for Group Lotus, but it leaves no options when it comes to negotiating settlements with Fernandes. Even if he is pressured into giving up the Lotus name, there are other teams that would probably only support a name change from Renault to Lotus if Renault agreed to lose its historical payments, which would then be redistributed.
In the last few days there have been suggestions that Bahar’s plan was to switch from British Racing Green, which he has used this year in IndyCar, to the black and gold that is associated with Team Lotus. This would also have worked for Renault F1 because the switch from yellow and black to gold and black is not a huge move. Thus announcing a black and gold livery for 2011 Fernandes has probably thrown another spanner in Bahar’s works, perhaps unwittingly as he too is looking for a way to distinguish himself from Group Lotus.
pour eviter des complications Fernandez utilise maintenent le non 1malaysia dans les com officielles, mais il a bien intenter une procedure a la court de Londre pour les droits sur le nom "team Lotus" et il a annonver que ces autos serait l annee prochaine noir et or, facon JPS.
voici un tres bon article qui explique la situation en detail:
he news that Lotus Racing is will be running in black and gold next year is a clear signal to anyone who cares to take notice that Tony Fernandes is not about to back down and accept being pushed out of the way by Group Lotus, no matter what the politicians in Malaysia want to see happening. Fernandes has invested around $120 million in the programme since it kicked off in the summer of 2009 and he clearly feels that he was the man who made it happen and that Group Lotus is trying to not only elbow him out of the way, but also claim the Team Lotus heritage, to which Fernandes believes it has no right at all. It would be outrageous if Team Lotus were to state a claim to have invented the Lotus Seven or the Lotus Elite road cars, but this is, in effect, what Group Lotus is trying to do, by trying to own the history of the team.
It is clear that Fernandes has a very strong case in the matter of the right to use the Team Lotus name. The Malaysian government must know this but it cannot buy the name from David Hunt and his partners because Fernandes got there first (again) and that deal is completed. In the circumstances it makes little sense for Group Lotus to do anything other than trying to work with Fernandes, rather than blindly supporting Group Lotus’s Dany Bahar. The Turkish-Swiss marketing man has a vision for Group Lotus which must seem very attractive to the Malaysians, but he is not an automobile industry expert and those who are doubt that his plan for the group is realistic. If the money being risked is private investment then that is fine, but there are increasing suggestions that Bahar did not manage to secure the funding that he hoped to have and that the funding of Group Lotus is coming from the Malaysian government, even if this may have been raised as loans from banks. Loans have to be repaid at some point and if Lotus does not bring in the money, it is the government which will have to use taxpayers’ money to balance the books. If this is the case then the politicians are facing the possibility that they will be attacked for gambling with taxpayers’ money. There have been some rumours in recent days suggesting that Bahar recognises that he is in a weak position in this respect and is looking for money in the Middle East. The more money he can raise, the less exposed he is to the whims of the politicians. They are obviously not keen on admitting that they have made a mistake and so will support Bahar until he gives them a reason not to, so the Group Lotus boss must be careful not to make too many mistakes in case they decided that they can justify dumping him.
The loss of the Team Lotus case in the High Court might provide such an opportunity. The other problem that could arise is that Fernandes could challenge Bahar’s right to terminate the licence agreement that he had with Group Lotus. This was a five-year deal and was by all accounts terminated on very flimsy grounds. Given the level of investment made, Fernandes would probably have a decent case if he chose to challenge the cancellation of the licence, which could provide another embarrassment.
There are also questions about the wisdom of doing a three-year $20 million a year sponsorship deal with Renault F1, when there is a risk that the cars will never be called Lotuses. Rushing into such an arrangement might seem the right thing to do given the Bahar timeline for Group Lotus, but it leaves no options when it comes to negotiating settlements with Fernandes. Even if he is pressured into giving up the Lotus name, there are other teams that would probably only support a name change from Renault to Lotus if Renault agreed to lose its historical payments, which would then be redistributed.
In the last few days there have been suggestions that Bahar’s plan was to switch from British Racing Green, which he has used this year in IndyCar, to the black and gold that is associated with Team Lotus. This would also have worked for Renault F1 because the switch from yellow and black to gold and black is not a huge move. Thus announcing a black and gold livery for 2011 Fernandes has probably thrown another spanner in Bahar’s works, perhaps unwittingly as he too is looking for a way to distinguish himself from Group Lotus.
Re: Jeu set et match
il n y a donc eu aucune annonce le mardi en question, et il semble finalement que Tony Fernandez ait "gagné" la bataille puisque sur le liste FIA publiée aujourd hui, son team s appelle Team Lotus, et aucune trace de Lotus chez renault...Rs2ni wrote:Lotus racing n'existera plus sous cette forme en 2011.
Jean Louis Moncet à annoncé qu'Eric Boullier annoncera mardi que l'écurie Renault va devenir Lotus Renault.
Ce qui annonce que Renault deviendra qu'un simple motoriste dès 2011, le développement chassis étant à la charge des nouveaux actionnaires...
Quand à Lotus Racing, elle devient Malasian racing dès 2011.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88534
Re: Jeu set et match
Alors si c'est écrit, par la FIA, ça bougera plus!!! ![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon/wink.gif)
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Re: Jeu set et match
Non. Car la FIA, aussi puissante soit-elle, n'est pas au dessus des lois. Si Fernandez perd, il devra renommer ses voitures en cours de saison. Ce qui pourrait être encore pire pour lui! Ou lui faire un énorme coup de pub...
Re: Jeu set et match
ce serait apparemment extrêmement couteux, je doute qu il prenne le risque si il n a pas les guaranties que ce soit OK.Key wrote:Non. Car la FIA, aussi puissante soit-elle, n'est pas au dessus des lois. Si Fernandez perd, il devra renommer ses voitures en cours de saison. Ce qui pourrait être encore pire pour lui! Ou lui faire un énorme coup de pub...
faut pas oublier que la "presque" annonce de team Lotus Renault, c etait une idée quasi improvisée par ce megalo de Bahar pour contrer Fernandez.
J imagine la tete des malaysiens, quand apres avoir demander des dizaines de millions pour faire une gamme Lotus; il les a appeler poir avoir des dizaines de millions pour faire un team F1 qui n etait pas prevu du tout...
Ce bahar est un clown, dans cette histoire il fini bien ridicule...
Re: Jeu set et match
Je ne connais Dany Bahar qu'à travers ce que j'ai pu lire et entendre à droite à gauche, et à ce titre, je conseille vivement à tous la lecture du Sport Auto de Novembre et les 8 pages sur LOTUS
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LOTUS Elise Mk1 111S JPS
Re: Jeu set et match
Exact, un bien bel article.
Je conseille également la lecture du numéro de Décembre de Sport Auto, ou AUDI se fait massacrer la tête pendant 15 pages, tous modèles confondus. Excellent !
Je conseille également la lecture du numéro de Décembre de Sport Auto, ou AUDI se fait massacrer la tête pendant 15 pages, tous modèles confondus. Excellent !
Re: Jeu set et match
tu exagères
Audi se fait gentiment tancer mais certainement pas massacrer
Perdre contre une 458 c'est plié d'avance, le coup de la sub plus étonnant mais comme c'est pas la même cible...
Ca fait longtemps que le journalisme auto n'est qu'un vaste publi reportage qui ménage la chêvre et le choux.
On apprend qu'une telle ou une telle va plus vite que l'autre mais il y a rarement de mauvaise Porsche Lambo Ferrari...
L'objectivité ne peut être de mise ds un contexte où ces véhicule sont gracieusement mis à dispo pour de jolis we par les constructeurs.
De temps en temps en lisant entre les lignes d'un édito on apprend qu'on s'ennuie avec toutes ces boites semi auto, que toute ces inflations de puissances conjuguées au poids sont bien inutiles et ne sont qu'un facteur de dépense mais pas de plaisir.
En une demie heure sur un forum dédié on en sait beaucoup plus.
Audi se fait gentiment tancer mais certainement pas massacrer
Perdre contre une 458 c'est plié d'avance, le coup de la sub plus étonnant mais comme c'est pas la même cible...
Ca fait longtemps que le journalisme auto n'est qu'un vaste publi reportage qui ménage la chêvre et le choux.
On apprend qu'une telle ou une telle va plus vite que l'autre mais il y a rarement de mauvaise Porsche Lambo Ferrari...
L'objectivité ne peut être de mise ds un contexte où ces véhicule sont gracieusement mis à dispo pour de jolis we par les constructeurs.
De temps en temps en lisant entre les lignes d'un édito on apprend qu'on s'ennuie avec toutes ces boites semi auto, que toute ces inflations de puissances conjuguées au poids sont bien inutiles et ne sont qu'un facteur de dépense mais pas de plaisir.
En une demie heure sur un forum dédié on en sait beaucoup plus.
Elise sc 2009
Re: Jeu set et match
Enfin 4 matchs, 4 Matchs perdus, désolé, c'est du massacre, et à titre personnel ça me fait bien plaisir ![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon/mrgreen.gif)
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Pour rappel, les Sauber de 2010, s'appellait BMW-Sauber Ferrari...Grâce à la loi des droits télé.Key wrote:Non. Car la FIA, aussi puissante soit-elle, n'est pas au dessus des lois. Si Fernandez perd, il devra renommer ses voitures en cours de saison. Ce qui pourrait être encore pire pour lui! Ou lui faire un énorme coup de pub...
Pour toucher le pactole, Peter Sauber à dût nommer ses autos de cette manière. Merci Bernie et la FIA!
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